{"id":20636,"date":"2024-04-21T12:04:29","date_gmt":"2024-04-21T17:04:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kjasr.com\/live\/?p=20636"},"modified":"2024-04-21T12:04:29","modified_gmt":"2024-04-21T17:04:29","slug":"2024-gbb-season-review-part-2-if-i-ran-the-world-3v3-relegation-seeding-transfers-seeding-the-state-2024-25-style","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kjasr.com\/live\/?p=20636","title":{"rendered":"2024 GBB Season Review Part 2: If I Ran the World….3v3, Relegation\/Seeding, Transfers & Seeding the State 2024-25 Style"},"content":{"rendered":"

IF I RAN THE WORLD<\/strong><\/p>\n

This is an examination on how I would run the world\u2026.basketball-wise for high school Minnesota. I just want everyone to understand I do not run the world\u2026I basically only control one room in my house, sometimes.<\/p>\n

I realize this is not “fresh” considering we are knee deep in club ball at this moment, but sometimes life gets in the way.<\/p>\n

STATE TOURNAMENT<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n

3v3<\/strong><\/p>\n

One way to increase the buzz around the tournament would be to bring the second-place finishers to the state tournament and have them compete in a 3 on 3 tournament. The eight teams in each class would mirror the match ups of the regular five on five. Using the AAAA example that would have meant Wayzata vs. East Ridge; Lakeville South vs. Mounds View; Eden Prairie vs. Anoka; Elk River vs. Eastview. These teams would need to identify four players to take part. That leaves the balance of the roster off the court. For those unfamiliar with the FIBA rules—1 point for a regular 2-point basket; 2 points for a 3; 1 point for a free throw. 10 minutes of potential action. First team to 21 wins. If there is a tie, a one minute break before action starts again. Then the first team to score two points wins. The shot clock is 12 seconds. Substitutions come on dead balls. Each of these games would take place prior to the start of the 5 v 5 warm ups on Wednesday for AAAA, AAA, and AA; Thursday for A, all quarterfinal days. When television is involved, the semis would take place in the time after the five on five games are done. For example on Thursday after the AAA semis the AAA three on three semis would take place followed by the AAAA three on three semis. Then the AAAA fives semis would take place. This event would bring added interest, added fans, and would work well on television.<\/p>\n

SEEDING & RELEGATION<\/strong><\/p>\n

I would prefer a one-class tournament. How many classes are in the Olympics? In the era prior to 1971 there was a single class with eight regions. One big reason the MSHSL moved to a two-class system was that the metro area, home of at least half the state\u2019s population, would only have at most two entrants. For example, using the QRF listing as the #1 seed, here is how the top eight teams in 2024 would look using the pre-1971 sections \/regions:<\/p>\n

    \n
  1. Rochester Mayo
    \n2. Mankato East
    \n3. Marshall
    \n4. Lakeville North
    \n5. Hopkins
    \n6. Alexandria
    \n7. Mountain Iron-Buhl
    \n8. Fosston<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    Would this be fair? NO. Many quality teams would be on the sidelines. Fosston is #113 in the QRF poll, the lowest rated team in the bunch.<\/p>\n

    What if we tweaked this a bit. Still only one class. Using the US Congressional representative borders (better reflecting current population alignment) which dovetail right into eight sections \/ regions this is how the state would look in 2024 (numbers are the current representative districts).<\/p>\n

      \n
    1. Rochester Mayo
      \n2. Lakeville North
      \n3. Hopkins
      \n4. White Bear Lake
      \n5. Benilde-St. Margaret\u2019s
      \n6. Andover
      \n7. Alexandria
      \n8. Forest Lake<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

      The one that raises eyebrows would be Forest Lake. They were #36 on the QRF, Mountain Iron-Buhl was #42. Would this be fair\u2026.maybe\u2026.kinda\u2026. All the schools are AAAA now except for Benilde and Alex. At least the gaps between #1 (Hopkins) and #36 are smaller than #113.<\/p>\n

      Everyone wants to seed 1-64 (or whatever number the AAAA totals are). I am going one step further. I will put the 64 best teams in the state in one division. It doesn’t matter how many rear ends are in chairs in the school. That doesn\u2019t equate to winning. I am tired of watching running time massacres during the season and even at state it bugs me. I want true competition. I am tired of watching teams that play rough and tumble schedules all year \u201cplay down\u201d in March. How satisfying is that? Schools can always opt up a class. No one really does because they want the hardware. My proposal would sink that. Every year the 64 top teams would change. Think of European soccer relegation as an example.<\/p>\n

      First there would be six classes, not four—-all based on skill and competitive level. All six classes would have 64 teams, except for the lowest class that would have about 80. All levels would all be sorted out on January 1. There would be eight sections of eight schools each. Not every class would be televised. Not every class would be at Williams Arena either. I think having some games at the Maturi Pavilion, and across the street at Mariucci Arena would centralize action. Lose and you are done. No consolation. Not even third.<\/p>\n

      How would this work? During November and December schools could play any school they choose. The results would then be tabulated. Using the infamous QRF method the 64 teams would then be selected for each of the six classes. January and February would have home and away games with the teams in their respective sections\u2014a total of 14 games across eight weeks. A school could have several non-sectional games in those two months, but the opponent would have to be within newly assigned class.<\/p>\n

      Looking at the January 2 listing this year the top teams in the rest of the classes (and presumably the #1 seed for the state tournament in March:
      \n6: Hopkins
      \n5: (#65) Mankato East
      \n4: (#129) Blooming Prairie
      \n3: (#193) Edgerton
      \n2: (#257) Hill City \/ Northland
      \n1: (#321) Mora<\/p>\n

      Did the QRF get it right? For example, in division 5 here are the #1 seeds in the sections this year: Winona Cotter; Mayer Lutheran; Sleepy Eye; Cromwell-Wright; Fosston; Glencoe-Silver Lake; Minneota; EGF Sacred Heart; SW MN Christian.<\/p>\n

      Here is who I believe was overvalued on January 2 in division 6 using just one example: Richfield—-they eventually landed in division 4 at #153. But clearly the most obvious mistake would be to have Benilde-St. Margaret\u2019s in division 5. November and December were without Olivia Olson and the Red Knights suffered some losses. When she returned, they were undefeated. That was the most egregious error. Alas that is where they would have landed in this system.<\/p>\n

      Overall, there probably would not have been so many massacres in this system, but looking at some pretenders that wormed their way into this list a few would happen. Games would mean something, and the sections would then have accurate seeds in the postseason. Again, there would be extremely loaded sections. Look no further than section six in the top division (6) with two eventual state champs and another state entrant. Section five and eight was also thick with four teams getting to state. The thinnest section in this list was one with only Goodhue making it.<\/p>\n

      Here are how the sections in 6A would play out with that deadline. \u00a022 of the 32 state entrants are in this division. Bold teams made the state.<\/p>\n

      SECTION 1<\/p>\n

      Byron
      \nGoodhue
      \n<\/strong>Jordan
      \nNew Prague
      \nRochester Century
      \nRochester JM
      \nRochester Mayo
      \nWinona<\/p>\n

      SECTION 2<\/p>\n

      Chanhassen
      \nChaska
      \nDelano
      \nMarshall
      \nNew London-Spicer
      \n<\/strong>New Ulm
      \nSt. Peter
      \n<\/strong>Watertown-Mayer<\/p>\n

      SECTION 3<\/p>\n

      Cretin-Derham Hall
      \nEagan
      \nEastview
      \nLakeville North
      \n<\/strong>Lakeville South
      \nPrior Lake
      \nRosemount
      \n<\/strong>Shakopee<\/p>\n

      SECTION 4<\/p>\n

      Centennial
      \nEast Ridge
      \nRoseville
      \nSt. Anthony
      \nStillwater
      \nTotino-Grace
      \nWhite Bear Lake
      \n<\/strong>Woodbury<\/p>\n

      SECTION 5<\/p>\n

      DeLaSalle
      \n<\/strong>Fridley
      \nHopkins
      \nMinneapolis Roosevelt
      \n<\/strong>Minneapolis Southwest
      \nMinnehaha
      \n<\/strong>Richfield
      \nSt. Louis Park<\/p>\n

      SECTION 6<\/p>\n

      Anoka
      \nEden Prairie
      \nMaple Grove
      \nMinnetonka
      \n<\/strong>Orono
      \nOsseo
      \nProvidence<\/strong>
      \nWayzata<\/p>\n

      SECTION 7<\/p>\n

      Andover
      \n<\/strong>Blaine
      \nBrainerd
      \nCloquet
      \nCrosby-Ironton
      \nMountain Iron-Buhl
      \n<\/strong>Pequot Lakes
      \nRock Ridge<\/strong><\/p>\n

      SECTION 8<\/p>\n

      Albany
      \nAlexandria
      \n<\/strong>Elk River
      \nFergus Falls
      \nMonticello
      \nPerham
      \n<\/strong>Sartell-St. Stephen
      \nSt. Michael-Albertville<\/strong><\/p>\n

      Now a look at the 5A division—according to the QRF.<\/p>\n

      SECTION 1<\/p>\n

      Caledonia
      \nDover-Eyota
      \nHastings
      \nHayfield
      \nNRHEG
      \nStewartville<\/strong>
      \nUCA
      \nWinona Cotter<\/p>\n

      SECTION 2<\/p>\n

      Fairmont
      \nJackson County Central
      \nMankato East
      \nMartin County West
      \nMinneota
      \nSleepy Eye
      \nSW MN Christian
      \n<\/strong>Windom<\/p>\n

      SECTION 3<\/p>\n

      Burnsville
      \nFarmington
      \nTwo Rivers
      \nMounds View
      \nSt. Agnes
      \nSt. Croix Prep
      \nSt. Paul Como Park
      \nSt. Paul Washington\/Johnson<\/p>\n

      SECTION 4<\/p>\n

      Benilde-St. Margaret\u2019s
      \n<\/strong>Forest Lake
      \nHill-Murray
      \nHoly Angels
      \nMahtomedi
      \nMinneapolis South
      \nMinneapolis Washburn
      \nSpring Lake Park<\/p>\n

      SECTION 5<\/p>\n

      Becker
      \nChamplin Park
      \nCoon Rapids
      \nHoly Family
      \nLester Prairie
      \nMayer Lutheran
      \n<\/strong>Park Center
      \nPrinceton<\/p>\n

      SECTION 6<\/p>\n

      Breckenridge
      \nHancock
      \nHoldingford
      \nPelican Rapids
      \nSauk Centre
      \nSauk Rapids-Rice
      \nSt. Cloud Cathedral
      \nWillmar<\/p>\n

      SECTION 7<\/p>\n

      Braham
      \nChisholm
      \nCromwell-Wright
      \nEsko
      \nGrand Rapids
      \nMesabi East
      \nOgilvie
      \nProctor<\/p>\n

      SECTION 8<\/p>\n

      Barnesville
      \nBemidji
      \nDetroit Lakes
      \nEast Grand Forks
      \nEGF Sacred Heart
      \nFosston
      \nMehanga
      \nPark Christian<\/p>\n

      Now obviously I must step in and right the wrongs. BSM would replace Richfield. The Spartans were 5-3 by Jan. 1, but had suffered running time losses to DeLaSalle and Delano. Their \u201cbest\u201d win was against Washburn, a team that probably should not be at level five, but a step below. That is why I would flip out teams under circumstances like this. Only one person would have authority to alter the field, an individual that is impartial, fair and has some commonsense knowledge. Any more selectors and there is horse trading and agenda posing. Not acceptable.<\/p>\n

      On the cusp of moving down at level six would be St. Louis Park and Osseo. I think Rochester Lourdes should not be at level four, but up one. Same with Duluth Marshall.<\/p>\n

      TRANSFERS\u2026.INTRODUCING THE HIGH SCHOOL PORTAL<\/strong><\/p>\n

      The transfer issue raises everyone\u2019s blood pressure. It is happening above at the collegiate level at what seems epidemic proportions. It is, and has for many years, been part of the landscape in high school. I want to bring it out in the open where everyone can readily see. I want transparency.
      \nFirst off kids want to play, and kids want to feel like they contribute. No one leaves a happy situation. I would open a transfer window after the state tournament for four weeks. Players and their families would register with the MSHSL on their availability to switch schools without the fictional real estate mailboxes. This would not be free. A fee to register would be established. Certainly, that fee would be less disruptive than purchasing a new home. The families would have to foot the bill for transportation from the current home district to the new site.<\/p>\n

      Second: schools would have to register also—-if they are willing to receive a player from another school. Any school that accepts a new player would also be required to move up a class (if the relegation model was not in effect (which it won\u2019t—–unfortunately).<\/p>\n

      The MSHSL benefits from the fees.<\/p>\n

      Still there will be unhappiness. There is plenty of that right now. No one likes to have players leave. I don\u2019t. The whole process would get the bright sunshine it deserves.<\/p>\n

      SEEDING THE STATE EARLY—-2024-25<\/strong><\/p>\n

      Here is a quick look at how things stand prior to movement and injuries which inevitably will take their toll and alter these selections.<\/p>\n

      AAAA<\/p>\n

        \n
      1. Hopkins (6)<\/li>\n
      2. Eden Prairie (2)<\/li>\n
      3. Maple Grove (5)<\/li>\n
      4. Michael-Albertville (8)<\/li>\n
      5. Eastview (3)<\/li>\n
      6. Lakeville North (1)<\/li>\n
      7. Stillwater (4)<\/li>\n
      8. Anoka (7)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

        AAA<\/p>\n

          \n
        1. Alexandria (8)<\/li>\n
        2. DeLaSalle (4)<\/li>\n
        3. Benilde-St. Margaret\u2019s (6)<\/li>\n
        4. Stewartville (1)<\/li>\n
        5. Totino-Grace (5)<\/li>\n
        6. Rock Ridge (7)<\/li>\n
        7. New Ulm (2)<\/li>\n
        8. Two Rivers (3)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

          AA<\/p>\n

            \n
          1. Providence (5)<\/li>\n
          2. Minnehaha (4)<\/li>\n
          3. Duluth Marshall (7)<\/li>\n
          4. Winona Cotter (1)<\/li>\n
          5. New London-Spicer (3)<\/li>\n
          6. Sauk Centre (6)<\/li>\n
          7. Barnesville (8)<\/li>\n
          8. Clair (2)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

            A.<\/p>\n

              \n
            1. Goodhue (1)<\/li>\n
            2. Cass Lake-Bena (8)<\/li>\n
            3. Walker-Hackensack-Akeley (5)<\/li>\n
            4. Breckenridge (6)<\/li>\n
            5. Mountain Iron-Buhl (7)<\/li>\n
            6. Sleepy Eye St. Mary\u2019s (2)<\/li>\n
            7. Lester Prairie (4)<\/li>\n
            8. Central MN Christian (3)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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